124: Grass-fed beef vs. Grass-finished Beef, Grain-fed, Grain-finished - with Dr. Trent Mozingo!
October 29, 2019
Today's guest is Dr. Trent Mozingo! Growing up on a farm in Southeastern Indiana, Dr. Trent quickly learned about the hard work that goes into everyday life, including the associated mental and physical stress. Becoming a doctor and treating patients was always his dream, but it wasn’t until half way through his sixteenth year that he realized Chiropractic care was his calling. Additionally, he has given much attention to nutrition, inflammatory diseases, and the American diet. While musculoskeletal pain is the initial reason he pursued a chiropractic education, Dr. Mozingo has focused most of his patient treatment plans to the prevention of disease, with proper lifestyle changes. He has a Bachelor’s of Science degree from Purdue University, and a Doctorate of Chiropractic from Palmer College of Chiropractic, Florida. Enjoy!
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Hey, guys, welcome to this week's episode, and I'm so excited for my next guest. He's a chiropractic doctor, the founder and creator of the New Start Health Center and the new START Solution program. He is also the founder of a holistic Doctors United. And the author of The Wait is Over. The links between food, health and weight that your doctor hasn't told you. So welcome, Dr. Trent.
Thank you. Hello. How are you today?
Very good. So let's talk a little bit about your own wellness journey and what led you into developing the new start health center.
OK. Well, actually, when I was 16, I was in a car accident. At that point, I always want to be an anesthesiologist. I'm not sure why. That's just what I want to put people to sleep. That was when I was a kid. I don't know. But that was where I was at my dad. When we tell everybody that's what you want to be. And that was what I was running with. But I got a pretty bad car accident, broke my jaw here and here. I went through quite a bit of surgeries. I do a four hour reconstructive surgery to put a steel plate, my chin. And I met the anesthesiologist and I realized his job did not look like very much fun at all. So I thought, nope, I'm not doing that. I don't want it anymore. So what did my cousin, who's a chiropractor after I you know, I got my dental work done and my face reconstructed after the surgeries and my back was sore and stiff just from a pretty major accident. And my cousin took care of me, lined me up, made me feel unbelievable. And I could tell he was happy and he loved his job. Now that John his name's John Watson. John, how do I become a chiropractor? And he said, I went to Purdue, then I went to Palmer. So following suit was 16 years old. I went to Purdue, I went to Palmer. And during that curriculum is when I started really developing my idea of chiropractic and developing the new start brand, if you will, trying to say, I don't want to be just another Mozingo chiropractic that put a ring on the wall and just suggests people all day I want to do something different. So I started studying the biochemistry world and I started learning about nutrition, dig in pretty deep. And then I decided I wanted my office to focus on functionality more than just low back pain or headaches or anything that's, you know, the stereotypical chiropractic office worries about. So I started to focus on how to treat this inflammatory epidemic that we have going on and that wanted me to bridge into calling it New Start Health Center, because I wanted people to think that this is like a beginning to their new style of health care, their new lifestyle that they're going to designed to basically treat the little things instead of just back pain every day.
Wow. And, you know, one thing that I will notice, I mean, more and more, all physicians are leaving their primary care and opening up functional medicine practices. But I will say that chiropractors, I would say, are the number one physician that are leaving their primary care of just doing adjustments and moving into that functional medicine practice. Wouldn't you agree?
It's big. There is a there's a there's a huge market. And I think that with the foundation of chiropractic studies is it's a holistic nature. So it's easy to segway from the holistic chiropractic field to the functional nutrition world where it's a little bit it's a little bit more of a rocky road going from that, you know, the M.D., the pharmacology world to the functional nutrition world. It's to me, I think the chiropractic Segway is just a little bit easier to transition, and that's probably why it's becoming so much more fluid for them to do it.
Yeah, and functional medicine addresses the underlying causes of the disease and using a system system at systematized approach, I'm trying to kind of heal the body. And I think that just kind of lines hand in hand, you know?
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's the foundation of what chiropractic was designed around. So, yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
So the question that I ask all my guests is just walk me through a day in the life of Dr. Trent. Like, what did you eat yesterday? When did you eat it? Did you work out kind of what is your lifestyle look like? What is the day in the life of you?
Well, every day my alarm is set for 7:00 a.m., but I wake up at six thirty. I don't know why my brain my body will not let me sleep at six thirty. So I just kind of lay there in bed and gather my thoughts for the day, get my head right, you know, get woke up a little bit and then I start. Well, Mondays and Wednesdays. My office hours are open Monday through Thursday, but Mondays are a different shift than Tuesday, Thursday, so. Mondays, my my workout is on Monday and was it at lunchtime Tuesday, Thursday, Friday at 2:00 in the morning. So there's always a workout in there. It's usually just a general weight training workout. My diet consists of pretty much Whole Foods. Intermittent fasting is a major part of my life. In my book, I discuss, you know, basically the. The metabolic reasoning and the hormone and the hormonal reasoning that intermittent fasting makes the most sense as far as how a human body is designed to eat. So I try to incorporate that as much as I can, but I'm bringing it into kind of a I use the term hunter and gatherer form of it. So the days that I have a vigorous workout, I don't really eat an animal product or a protein product until post workout. I'm trying to simulate that hunt, if you will. So.
If someone has to catch it. Squirrel to eat it, it's going to take a bit of a run or a bit of vigorous exercise to gather any animal product, so that's kind of the reward is the protein to help rejuvenate muscle growth. But the plant based diet that it's 80 percent of my diet is as the day goes on, it's readily available. Kind of like the gathering, the berries you can have. There are large basket Chantel. You can ration that for a while. So that's the simulation of my my nutrition. So I usually do a. Eighteen six hour, sometimes a full 24 hour fast is generally how I live if I have a really busy schedule in my office and I'm driving, I'm dragging a little bit. I always have some apples or something to just to get my my brain functioning again because I'm faster too far, but something like that.
So you said what is your normal window. What, like if you had a day range, what do you what time do you normally start eating and when do you end eating.
Generally speaking, I'll have lunch around one o'clock. I won't I don't typically ever eat breakfast. It just doesn't work for me very well. So I have lunch at one o'clock and I'll either have another meal at 5:00 or I won't have another meal depending on the size of your lunch.
Yeah. Yeah. And and again. And depending on if I have a long night ahead of me or if I have a, you know, if I have a lot of writing I need to do that night, I will eat that day. And that kind of decides whether I do it or not just because I need that little bit of brain.
Gotcha. All right. Let's jump right into our listener questions. The first one says, I'm eight months pregnant while having terrible back pain that shoots from my lower back down to my left leg. It's the worst in the middle of the night when I have to get up to go to the bathroom being pregnant. I know I can't take any medicine for the pain, but there are there any exercises or stretches I could try?
Oh, OK. That's good chiropractic question. You know, pregnancy is a big one we see in the office. It's an uphill climb because, you know, during that eight month, you go into the end of the third trimester, your pelvis is really opening up, you're getting prepared for the birthing process, if you will. There's a lot of reason or there's a lot of correlation between that sciatica pain and just general inflammation through that opening process in the pelvis. So strengthening is important of the gluteus muscles. You know, media, Maximus and M.S., you need to do an air squat type. Exercise is really good to also strengthen the pelvic floor, the glutes and a little bit of ab core. Just it's tough at eight months, but maintaining that tone around your pelvis is important just to keep it from being hyper mobile or joint laxity due to the hormone relaxant coming into your bloodstream to appropriate to the birthing process. So. There are, you know, pregnancy massage you can get that'll help soothe a little bit of that muscle tension and anxiety, pain, and there's also some chiropractors that can take you up into the final days of your pregnancy that would help align the pelvis the best you can do. Just kind of prep you for that.
OK, for the next one is from Miah in Corpus Christi, I'm trying to eat a lot cleaner, but not sure what kind of meat I should be eating. Should I be getting more organic lean? What's the benefits of free range and grass fed? All these terms are making my head spin. And we got another question very similar to that. But it's like one saying get more lean one saying you want the fat, the next one is organic. But is it grass fed or is it grass finished? You know, it can get a little overwhelming. What is your thoughts on that?
There is a lot of misinformation. Surrounding the diet world, the nutrition world, the weight loss world, simple rule of thumb, is the health of anything is in direct relation to the health of the food that it's eat. Right. This includes humans. This includes chickens. This includes cows. This includes everything, including plants. So your plants eat soil for the most part, that's what they consume with rainwater and sunlight. But if your soil is healthy, the plant is going to be relatively healthy, which if you're going to eat the fruit from that plant, that's going to be healthier for the human. If your plant is grown in poor soil or dehydrated eating enough water that you're grown in a shady spot without enough sunlight, the plant fruit, the harvest won't be as valuable for the host. So eating as organic as you can is going to mean the soil is going to be enriched with better fertilizers, not synthetic fertilizers. And we're going to go through that harvesting process that's not going to overproduce that soil like a lot of the factory farming does. So organic is more beneficial for that reasoning ground or for they if you can say lean meat or beef's free range deer, for example, is a healthy meat because it's not on a factory farm, getting fed a very strict grain fed diet where cows are not designed to eat corn their whole life, it actually inflames our digestive tract. So the health of that beef, because it grew on an unhealthy diet, will be less healthy for the host when you eat it. So grass fed cows are ruminant animals. They're made to break down the fibers of grass so they are going to flourish their health, the cows health will flourish on grass fed, the cows also flourishing. Eating that cow is going to be better for your health because they were healthy. And that's kind of how I lay it out, is you want to eat food that is as healthy as the food can be to push it to the next level view if it's processed at all. It doesn't matter if it says natural or not natural, sugar or not sugar, processed food is really never something that our human body is designed to digest.
So let's talk about grass fed versus grass finished for just a second.
OK, so I think maybe grain finished. Maybe what you mean.
No, they do say like they'll say grass fed and then they'll also say grass finished. The meat will say that.
So what we do. I grew up on a farm. That's what I do for my my dad does for a living. We grass feed for the most part. And again, that is going to make it less marbled meat because corn grain, if you will, is very fattening. It's got a high glycaemic load. So when you feed a cow corn at all, it's going to grow really, really fast. So if you're using the term grass fed or grass finished and what we use in our farm is grain finished where it's corn fed, it's holy or grass fed its whole life, and then the final months its grain fed to marble it and make the meat buttery and delicious.
Well, yeah. So grass finished beef means that it comes from the cattle that ain't nothing but grass and for their entire lives. Grass fed could mean it started on grass, but at the end maybe was finished. So with with some grain or they had a received like a supplemental grain feed.
So grass would be the whole way. OK, yeah. So grass finished with the whole way and that's. There is value in a commodity and selling grass all the way, beef is difficult because it just doesn't taste as good.
And for the most part, once they hit that seven, eight hundred pound range is a cow. Once you finish them with grain, you're not going to really detriment their health enough to offset the unhealth to lose the health of the beef. But if you can do it, if you like it, grass finish is 100 percent where you should be. Grasses, the cows, natural diet. That's what it should focus on. So yeah.
Yeah, it's funny because I had a friend that said that he's like this whole thing with grass fed like that would cause like cows eat grass. So they're like but I know it's just funny the way that he said it just had me laughing.
So if they're if they're on grain their whole life, that's also a problem. I mean, it really is. The cows will just be their digestive tract will be a mess. Then you have to add a lot of antibiotics to keep them healthy. And it just it really hurts. It hurts the cows health, which is unfortunate for the cow, right? That's terrible. And then eating it is also a little more inflammatory for the host, the human if you eat the beef.
OK, this next one's from Misty in Carlsbad, Carlsbad, my job is super stressful, I sit in front of a computer screen all day and must hold a lot of tension in my neck and shoulders because pretty much as soon as I sit down at my desk and start typing, I noticed knots in both of my shoulders. They seem to get worse as I get more stressed out. How can I relieve some of the tension in my neck besides quitting my job? Smiley face.
That's a common as a chiropractor, this is I see this twenty five times a day and sitting at a computer at a desk, you're here Haarms in front of you face kind of down typing away.
And the problem comes from imbalance of muscle tone, that's the biggest real root problem.
So your neck muscles, chest muscles get shorter, they get shorter shoulders, your shoulders draw forward, which opens up the rhomboid muscle complex between the shoulder blades and it stretches them out. So the knots she's feeling is actually the muscles fighting to not be stretched to their limits. They're trying to pull her shoulders back. And if you sit at that same job for hours on end, they lose the battle. So. Correcting that is a posture thing, you know, you really have to make sure your ergonomics are right with your desk, you make sure your computer screen is up at an elevation. You're not looking down all the time. Make sure your arms are at ninety nine as you're typing properly and then strengthening lower latissimus dorsi and lower trat muscles need to be strengthened every day. So arow machine, if you will, grabbing from hair, pulling to here is what you need to do to strengthen the muscles between the shoulder blades and actually get your shoulders drawn back where they belong. To take away the imbalance of muscle tone. And addressing the stress with things like, you know, Reiki, yoga, massage, blobbies is another really good way to offset the day in and day out build up of that muscle tension.
All right. This next question is from Anonymous. I'm a big, intermittent fasting fan and I'm 100 percent on board with everything you say in your book on intermittent fasting. So we're on the same page there. But my dad has raised me that organic is just a waste of money. They do all this stuff to make money. He says organic is just more expensive. He's almost 90 years old and he's in perfect health and has never eaten organic. And he says, look at me, I'm in perfect health and never ate organic. What would you respond to him?
Let's say his age, he came through a total different. Nutritional world than where we are in now, so if you were to eat nothing but, say, in organic fruits and vegetables, you're probably going to be just fine. Organic probably is not going to say it's going to be a game changer from an organic vegetable to an organic vegetable, but it's a little bit better. That's the best way of putting it. It's not like it's daylight and dark, black and white. It's it is a little bit better. It might not take you someone that is inevitable to develop diabetes because of family history, to not developing diabetes, by eating inorganic and organic. It's not that cut and dry. But he grew up before the processed food histeria. So could you find organic zester crackers and eat them all day and think it's healthy? No, it's not like that. So you have to break down the whole food organic world in organic world, and then someone that could say organic processed food to it just it's hard to really lay it out that cut and dry is what I would say. But as a whole, food processors, the government restricts the way you raise them to call it organic and they're positive changes in the food, the growing of food in an organic world.
OK, next one, Shannon in Provo, don't know where that is. One of my friends started getting dry needling for her back pain and said it really helps my mom gets acupuncture for her neck and swears by it. I've had back pain for years and want to try one of them, but I'm not sure which is best. What is the difference between dry needling and acupuncture? Which one is better for chronic back pain?
Wow. OK, well, I'm not an acupuncturist nor dry needler. I am aware of how both of them relatively work. I would not say I'm an expert in any way, but from what I know is dry needling goes to the point of problem. For example, if you have a injured bicep muscle, that's where they're going to affect the dry needling where acupuncture works. More on those Meridien lines. They're. Dry needling works very functional in the functional problem area, where acupuncture works more in the physiological ideology. So they're going to work on acupuncture points that don't necessarily mean the exact point of pain, but they're going to try to affect your physiology of your human body to try to metabolize and effect that pain. It's more of a cause and effect or how do I explain it? It's more of a by association fix instead of a direct input into the pain generator. So for low back pain, it would probably say there's not one or the other that is better. I would start with dry needling, then move to acupuncture, because in my opinion, pain is a very functional thing, less of a physiological thing. If it's truly mechanical back pain, it could be digestive pain, referral and acupuncture would be very beneficial. But if it's truly a mechanical, low back pain, dry needling is going to coat to the point of interest a little bit faster than acupuncture will. But if there is a pain referral pattern like organic referral from the large intestine, then acupuncture can be more beneficial. So I would start with dry needling. If it didn't help, then I would move into acupuncture in my non acupuncture professional opinion.
So I know you wrote the book. The wait is over the links between food, health and weight that your doctor hasn't told you. What would you say is your top two tips that you share with people in the book to give them a little snippet before they get the whole book? What would you say is two of the big things you talk about to the big things?
The first one is I teach people what food really is. I change the relationship between. Food is you're literally an accumulation of everything you've eaten thus far in your life, right? That's what your body and health is. So I help people associate their health is in direct relation to their food intake. That's major. And it's not just about when I'm hungry. I should eat calories that I disconnect from that misinterpretation of what food really is.
That's the big one. And then I also help people understand that weight loss and the overweight epidemic that we are all seeing, our culture has tried to break that out on its own, is try to make it this thing that is standalone. It doesn't make any difference to other health factors. It's just an overweight diagnosis, if you will, where in my book I try to explain people like the same things that cause you to be overweight is the same thing that causes stomach dysfunction or an acid reflux type scenario. It's the same thing that causes hypothyroidism where in our medical community we're trying to say that hypothyroidism causes the weight gain. I tried to explain to you it's actually the opposite. It's the same root source that causes adrenal fatigue and liver toxicity and digestive distress and pre diabetes and also elevated inflammation to heart disease. It's it's all the same thing. And it's the way we are living in a culture that focuses on going to work in an eight to five job instead of. Focusing on nourishing our human body in all forms, that means stress management, sleep and food.
So let me ask you, is there any food that you would say, hey, here we've seen like these foods linked to hyperthyroidism, people who are eating this, this and this, we're seeing that linked to some hyperthyroidism.
OK, so as you know, function, nutrition, chiropractic, I go to the root like what is going on? Hypothyroidism is not anything wrong with your thyroid gland. There's something wrong with a deficiency in either iodine or tyrosine. OK, so I don't entirely bind together to make thyroid hormone. In the 60s it was iodine was the problem. Everyone developed a goiter, which is why they iodized table salt that fixed the problem. So we got rid of that deficiency the most part. But there's a new problem. And iodine is a halogen. Halogens are chlorine, fluorine, bromine and iodine. We are toxic in other halogens. That is offsetting the uptake of iodine, in my opinion. So chlorine is a problem. It's in bleached white flour. That's that's one of the biggest problems we have is chlorine in our flour. Bromine is a problem because it's in all of our, like, flame retardants and furniture stain preventer's that's got bromine in it. And if you ingest it, you're going to affect your thyroid function, bleach cleaners, chlorinated bleach cleaners, also problems. So someone in that constant, you know, bleaching their shower when you breathe it in, that's going to be a negative effect for your thyroid gland. So for the most part, we don't eat enough seafood for the iodine, the natural good, our iodine, if you will, and our digestive system is not working as well. It could break down the tyrosine from our animal sources and we're toxic in other halogens is the reason that I mean, Synthroid is one of the top prescribed medications in our country right now.
Yeah, it's crazy.
It really is. It's very it's I mean, it's it's not surprising for every third patient. I see my office to be on a thyroid medication.
What supplements would you say, ah, do you think are the best for somebody who is having a thyroid issue?
OK. Somewhat of a loaded question, there's a good suppliments, any like mineral's with trace minerals with like iodine and selenium and magnesium, those are going to be good for the thyroid to function in the liver. Tyrosine, you can't release something that you really need to eat some green leafy vegetables and some animal meats to do that, but also address digestive function. If you're having any type of stomach issues, you're going to have a hard time breaking down those proteins and hard time assimilating them. And that's really the Cascade event that causes the thyroid dysfunction is toxicity and poor digestive function.
Yeah, but thank you so much for being on our show today. So where can our listeners go to follow you and your work?
Well, I'm I just started Twitter. I don't have any idea how to tweet, really. I don't know how people tweet so much, but I think it's Mozingo DC. Yeah, I'm working on it. And also my Facebook pages, Newstart Health Center dot com or Newstart Health Center on Facebook. You can I find I put recipes on there, things like that. And then my website, New Start solution dot com and then there's some ways to sign it for my email reminders there. And I always have a pretty nice stream of emails to help people, just those little bitty little tips and tricks to get through the day as healthy as they can.
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