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333: The Thyroid and Gut Connection, The Difference Between Hypothyroid and Hashimotos, How The Sauna Can Help You Fast Longer, and more - with Dr. Ann Barter!

March 24, 2021

Welcome back to the podcast! In today’s must-listen episode, Chantel got to continue speaking with returning guest, Dr. Ann-Marie Barter! She is a chiropractor who graduated from the University of Western States in Portland, Oregon, an accredited 4 year Doctoral program that is considered a leader in evidence-based medicine, and the first Chiropractic school to be awarded a federal research grant.

She uses chiropractic care to improve the health and wellness in all areas of patient’s lives, whether they are having problems with back or neck pain, or just want to start feeling better when they wake up in the morning. Dr. Barter takes a “whole person” approach to chiropractic care, which means looking for the underlying causes of disease, discomfort, and pain, as opposed to just treating the symptoms.

Many seemingly unrelated symptoms often arise from imbalances in the spinal column, extremities, biochemical disturbances, and stress and Dr. Barter will be able to determine the root of the problem and create a personalized chiropractic and wellness plan to suit each patient’s individual needs.


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Hey, guys, welcome to today's episode, and we have Dr. Ann Barter Back on the show. I fell in love with her so much the first time I was like, we have to have you back. Everyone was like, she was amazing. We got to have her back, we've got some great questions from you guys that you've asked. So I'm so excited. And welcome back!
Thank you so much for having me. I'm super excited to be here!
So our title today is all about the thyroid and gut connection. So I want you to talk about how important is your gut and how closely tied is that also tied?
The gut is critical. It's one of the first things that I check when somebody is coming into the office. And the reason for that is because it affects everything and is you have infections in the gut or you have slow movement through the guys, then you're basically built up. It's kind of like, in my opinion, you know, not fixing the gut really inhibits those detox pathways because a lot of the way that we're going to be able to detoxify is through our gut or through our stool, which is fabulous to think about, but it's so, so important. And so something is backed up. Or if we have infections that's going to really impair our ability to eliminate is going to affect everything. It's going to affect our mood is going to affect other organ systems because in a huge amount of gut houses, the immune system is housed in the gut. So it's really important to look at the gut. So the first test I run and generally when people come to see me is I read something called the that. Now just to see how folks are eliminating and even if somebody comes in with hypothyroid or more thyroid issue because the thyroid and the gut are so tied in, if you don't fix the gut, you're not really going to fix the thyroid and vice versa are so important to treat in combination. I think we have been trained to look at, oh, I have a thyroid problem, so I'm just going to focus in and hone in on that side or I have a problem and I'm just going to hone in on that when everything really works together. And so we need to correct all of the symptoms of basically all these other organ systems. So it's really important to do that.
All right. Well, I've got this next question is from Sidney in New Jersey. She says, I am on nature thyroid, but I'm always constipated. I'm feeling that my levels of nature thyroid needs to go up. I just got my labs back and my test was at five point five. What do you think I should do? Do you think I should keep going? My doctor says that four point five is still within range, even though it's high.
And yeah, that's an awesome question.
You know, levels of age are interpreted differently by different providers. So within range, when you're looking at the laboratory range of age, it can go up to four point five. Some endocrinologists are treated much earlier and they are adjusting dosages on any thyroid replacement much earlier. So some folks believe that the optimal level is one point eight. I believe it should be anything under three. I start to see people really have symptoms of low functioning thyroid at two point eighty eight. So the higher your age goes, the more you have high, low thyroid. So I want to just say that again, because that's really confusing. The higher your test age goes, the more you have hypo or a low functioning thyroid. And so, yes, I think at that level you're going to be experiencing symptoms. Now, what unfortunately happens with thyroid cases is those levels have to continue to go up. So I think it's important to figure out what might be contributing to those levels going up. So a lot of things are going to affect the thyroid stress majorly, affects the thyroid trauma, will affect the thyroid as well. It affects the thyroid gland as well as chemical exposures. Specifically, I've seen a lot of mold, a lot of heavy metals and other things that we're exposed to every day in our environment really affect the thyroid gland also. Deficiencies affect the thyroid gland, and so I would really encourage you to just dig a little deeper as well, to also see what's affecting your levels are definitely, in my opinion, hot.
Oh, my gosh. If my thyroid and I just got my thyroid levels checked and they my DSH is almost always around, you know, the one mark and that's how I feel. My very best is anywhere from like one or under. And I just got my thyroid checked and I was in the low fours and I, I started taking a compound pharmacy.
I started taking some medicine from a compound pharmacy that was extended delay.
Do you know what I'm talking about, where it's like and the doctor said that when you do that, when it is extended delay, it brings it can have an effect on the amount that you're getting. So I need to actually increase you sometimes when you just do it at a compound pharmacy and you do the extended delay where it goes a longer period of time, that you actually need to increase your medicine when you do the extended delay that goes around through the whole day.
Because and that happens to be true for me because I just got mine checked and it was at a four. So which is really high in my opinion. Like, I, I think for me, I see people at optimal levels where they're like one point five or less. That's how they're really feeling. Good.
Yeah. I mean, I think even generally it just depends also what else is going on because. Yeah, and it's going to fluctuate as well. And the thyroid also affects the motility of the guy. And I forgot to cover this, but it it's the the steroid regulates how well you move things to the gut because it regulates every enzyme reaction. So a real big symptom of hypothyroid is constipation, just like Sydney is experiencing because it's going to affect every enzyme reaction in your gut, how much age Zell you're producing and the transit time it's going to slow down the transit time when that goes out. So, yeah, I mean, I agree because I think is way too high. People really I really see people experience pretty substantial thyroid symptoms about three. So real hypo thyroid symptoms, but it's not really treated at that level. So it's hard, it's hard to get it treated for medication.
Mm. So let's talk about well I'll ask this next question, and this is from Anonymous. I'm very confused. I feel like I've been listening to every podcast out there on thyroid and it seems like different guests on different podcast say all kinds of different things about iodine. One says that iodine is good and if you don't have enough iodine, then your thyroid is not going to function. One says that you have to be very careful with too much iodine. I don't know what to believe. When I look at the supplement of my multivitamin, it does say it has iodine in it. And sometimes when I take the supplement, I feel good and sometimes I don't. I'm wondering if what I'm eating as far as iodine levels has to do with that in combining it with the other. What are your thoughts?
Yes, I was confused about that for a while too. So what I learned in school initially was, yes, you give iodine and this was this was a while ago. You give iodine for thyroid. That's what was initially taught. Then it went well. There was a study that came out, I think it was about eight years ago. And that one said, you do not give iodine, especially in autoimmune Hashimoto's. Right. You absolutely do not give it. It's dangerous. It can spin them and put them into an auto immune storm. And then there was more research that came out that says you need iodine in the correct levels. So what they do to treat, for example, Grave's disease, where your thyroid is high or hyper functioning too much in your auto is they actually will give iodine in high doses to kill portions of your thyroid gland. But if you don't have enough iodine, your thyroid won't function. So this is basically you need enough for your thyroid to function, but you can't have too much. So I've heard of those on YouTube saying, oh, you need to dose and super high doses for your fibroid glands.
That's actually dangerous. Because, again, you can hurt your thyroid gland and you can because that's how they're treating it with high thyroid disease. So the the answer is, is that you can't have too much and you can't have two little.
Yeah, I think that's exactly right, but it's a matter of how do you know what is too much into little, you know, on levels you need to check them.
So let's talk about how often you think that you should check your thyroid, because I, I disagree that, you know, a lot of the traditional doctors will say we're going to fix your medicine and then we're going to wait six weeks to test again. Well, within six. Like to me, that's just way too long. Like, OK, you're going to be miserable for six weeks this whole time before you test again. So don't you think that's too long? Like I can tell within days of how I feel if I've changed my thyroid medicine like so to me. Don't you think one week, two weeks is a little bit more reasonable?
So the thyroid gland is going to go up, down, left and right just based on what's going on. So my philosophy on the thyroid and how I treat it is a little bit different than what a traditional doctor will do. I think that if you feel bad or if you're still having problems with your dosage, you need to go back in and get your thyroid gland checked sooner than maybe what they've recommended is you still don't feel right. You need to advocate for yourself. What I do is I want to see what else is affecting the thyroid gland. So I'm treating around the thyroid gland. I'm trying to figure out I'm trying to treat the gut. At the same time. I'm also trying to treat environmental chemicals, which is going to stabilize that thyroid gland because a lot of times the thyroid gland is a symptom of something else going on. Now, occasionally when you are in and it depends sometimes I will go after the thyroid gland short term as I'm seeing these other problems. But what I find is that the thyroid gland a lot of times is along for a ride because something else is going on in the system. So, for example, we'll have to treat some of the conversions of the thyroid gland to help heal up. But you also have to treat the nutritional deficiencies around it.
If you have hypo thyroid, you generally have deficiencies across the board in vitamins and minerals and nutrients. You generally have a lot of deficiencies magnesium, calcium, omega, as you know, just basic vitamins. A lot of folks have nutritional deficiencies and part of that goes back to the gut. You're not absorbing those those nutrients, etc.. So it's a long story short, I think that it depends on how you're treating it. A lot of a lot of people don't feel right on the adjusted dose. The their reasoning is they want to give your body time to get used to the new dose before they recheck it again. But the important part of the story is if you still feel bad, you need to advocate for yourself and you need to get it checked sooner.
Love it.
OK, this is from Ainslee in Naples, Florida. I love your podcast. And I want to thank you for the time you've put into it. I'm doing great with IVF and I've lost so much weight. Just from listening to your podcast, I still have about twenty pounds to go, but I'm still struggling with my thyroid. I read something about selenium and how it protects against the effects of iodine toxicity and I don't really understand what that meant. It said that it had something to do with autoimmune disease that excess iodine without selenium could cause, and I didn't totally understand it. If you could help me understand how much how much selenium should I take and what other supplements can I take to improve my thyroid? I know it's not functioning at optimal levels.
So there was an interesting, super interesting selenium and vitamin D. And what they showed with that is that if you have optimal levels of selenium and vitamin D, then what ends up happening is it protects you from auto immunity with Hashimoto's. And they have shown that in the studies that they saw a decrease in thyroid antibodies. So we're talking about two different things here. So we have just traditional hypothyroid and then we have auto immune hypothyroid, which is Hashimoto's. Hashimoto's affects about 80 percent of people that have high, low thyroid. So a lot of times if you have hypo thyroid, you might have Hashimoto's. So, yes. They have found that selenium can be protective. Now the question is, how much did you dose for? I don't know. It's the same thing with vitamin D, just knowing how much you should dose or what are your levels beforehand, because a lot of times you don't want to overdo something nutrient wise. And so I think it's very, very important to eat your levels, checked your nutrient levels, checked to see what things look like, other things that are going to help a thyroid gland. So let me just back up. You want to make sure that you're absorbing the nutrients that you're eating. So I think that that's the first step. Step one is to make sure that you're absorbing.
How do you know? Look, let's go back to that. So, like, one of the biggest things I would say is let's say if you if you look at your poop and see, like in your poop, you see particles that are maybe in the toilet.
Wouldn't that be a good indication that you're not digesting what you need to totally 100 percent what are give us some other ones. Like let's let's talk about poop for a second. I like it.
OK, so one thing like if you're getting a lot of gas and floating or you see pieces of food in your stool pretty frequently, I think it's it's often common that you're having trouble digesting your food. Another thing, if you have itchy skin or is every food you're eating, you're reacting to. And so traditionally what I see in practice is folks will come in and they'll say, listen, I eat chicken, broccoli in like five other foods. And if I if I vary from this diet, I have so many problems. I get skin, I get bloated, I have gas. That is a good indication that you have to get if you have brain fog, if if you can't sleep or you wake up on Vilmos, that's a good indication that something else is eating your food. If you have reflux, if you notice on just basic traditional paths that you have iron deficiency, that's another good indication that something is eating your nutrients.
So if we go in and we're like, when you're saying that, so you're saying parasites, parasites, H.
Pylori Sebo infections like overgrowth of bacteria, streptococcus bacillus, staph infections, infections in the mouse are going to affect your gastrointestinal absorption. What would been able to absorb? We get inflammation. All of these things make a difference.
That's what I really like to go back to the gut versus saying you should take vitamin A, you should take iodine, you should take selenium. Why aren't you absorbing these things from your food? And sometimes we need additional support in supplemental support, but it should be a supplement to your diet. And the question is, why aren't you getting some of these things from your diet? And so we want to just make sure that we're not over supplements because that happens. A lot is over. But but we want your nutrition to be from your food and then the supplements to on top of that, yes, we can make the argument that our soil has been depleted and we're not getting as much nutrients from our food anymore, but ultimately, we only want to supplement with what we need.
So are you saying basically, if you're seeing these symptoms, the number one thing that they need to do is do a stool test for them to actually see? Is it H. Pylori? Is it you know what? What is going on? Because there's got to be something going on in order for this to happen.
A lot of yes, a lot of times I will see the following things on a stool test of thyroid patient. And like you said, I don't generally go in and touch the thyroid gland initially because most of my most of my thyroid patients, over 60 percent of them have an H. Pylori infection. If you have an H. Pylori infection, that is the first line of defense in your stomach. Right. So you're going to notice reflux. You're going to notice esophageal swelling. You're going to have trouble swallowing. You're going to feel bloated and gassy. It's if the list goes pretty much on and on. But there's a tie to that to to the thyroid gland. And so we really need to address that so that you can't because the stomach should break down that food into those really small pieces and. In H. Pylori, infection makes you more alkaline, right, and so it basically allows big pieces of food to go into your small intestine and that's not absorbing well, and that can lead to leaky got an inflammation in that gap lining. And it's like you're reacting to every food, your you're basically eating. And so if you run a food sensitivity test, what ends up happening is all the visit you've eaten in the last month so positive on this test because you're reacting to all those foods because they're leaking out of your gut. Right. Another real big contributor in thyroid cases is there is definitely a correlation with gluten in wheat. It's definitely something important to stay away from, especially with autoimmune Hashimoto's thyroid disease. So I think that the big thing here is just looking at. What is the stool test look like and clearing that out in Insein? What happens with your thyroid and what else could be going on? There's also heavy metals that aren't as well known as the thyroid. So as we start to clear these things out, you sometimes will see the thyroid regulate and sometimes people don't need medication. Sometimes they do. I don't want to say anything specific because it depends on what's going on with you and specifically. So there's no one protocol. This would be like, oh, this is going to do it all for somebody that has. Hypothyroid or Hashimoto's, so my sense, yeah, let's talk about some natural remedies for H.
Pylori. I read a good article the other day and it was talking about some things. It was talking about green tea, olive oil and honey. And I was thinking, oh, my gosh, I drink green tea every day and I do eat a lot of olive oil. So have you worked or do you agree with that or what are some more other natural remedies that you would say that's good?
I generally will use I use something different. I use organic grape. I use all of these, I use masta gum, I use licorice extract, and I use biofilm busters a lot. And I will change my antimicrobials quite a bit. Sometimes I'll use Ginger and Merick as well, but I'll generally change my way, my antimicrobial herbs a couple times within the treatment because bacteria is smart and they get used to it. So when when the traditional medical community is treating it, it'll use a lot of times for different antibiotics to treat it when when there's a real stubborn infection. So that's what I do. And then I will rotated. I tend to have pretty good luck with doing those antimicrobials and you place on your website where you say, like, you know, all of those that you just listed.
So like if someone said, OK, I think I have H. Pylori, I can click on there and then all of those are listed somewhere.
Yeah. I will also put on the link below because I don't remember exactly where it is, so I'll have to go back and double check. I don't generally shop on there too much. So but I'll, I'll double check and we can put that in the short positions.
That sounds great. So what would you say is the any other issues in the gut besides H. Pylori that are causing people to have thyroid issues?
Yeah, so I think acappella is huge. The other thing that I think is actually a pretty big deal is when you get so this is kind of a big thing and this is not I want to just be clear that a lot of dentists don't practice this way. But there are some there are two bacteria that I see that can spin up thyroid, autoimmune disease. A lot of times after people have gotten their wisdom teeth removed, they will actually get dry socket and they will have chronic infections or have chronic TMJ pain, chronic back issues and. Particular bacteria, if they grow out of control, they're called a cavitation or this can also happen at the root canals is they will produce products and fuso bacterium and so these two bacteria will create chronic got issues. And so this is kind of somebody out there that is trying everything. They're like, I don't know what's going on with my God. I have no idea. Everything is normal. I've been to all kinds of different practitioners. Could be coming from your mouth, especially if you had any adverse reactions to any dental work within two years.
And what happens is, is this bacteria can grow out of control in your mouth and you're swallowing it down consistently. And so they've seen that this is linked to not only autoimmune disease like inflammatory bowel, but it's also linked to other autoimmune diseases that start lupus, Hashimoto's, et cetera. And so I think getting your mouth checked is really, really important. We put people on something called biocide initial term, which is why I don't have that on my website. But it's something that will absorb and help that infection there. But I think the big thing is going to a holistic dentist to really see and the the method of choice to see if there is an infection is to run something called a city or cone scan. And what this does is this is going to give us a little more information and. That's right. So generally, when you go to a dentist, run an X-ray, but a scan is going to see if there are any infections because you'll get black areas in the mouth. So I'm not I'm not an expert with that. But that's been something that has been huge for not only my thyroid cases, but my gut cases, especially the chronic ones. So that is huge as well. And I think really looking at any other bacterial overgrowth. As well, and that can be linked to chronic Zevo infections. The other thing that I see occasionally I'll see parasites associated with it. You know, you don't know what is triggering the Hashimoto's. Sometimes just a strep throat infection can trigger Hashimoto's. There's been some evidence in the literature that suggests that. So any sort of infection usually can really spread. It doesn't necessarily have to be just in the gut.
Yeah, I actually got my mercury fillings removed and I had two root canals on two teeth.
And what's crazy is there's actual different teeth that show that if you get a root canal from those teeth, you can have these kind of problems. And the only ones that I had were my thyroid. So interesting. Yeah, I literally pulled both those teeth. So if I open my mouth right now, you could see I actually have. But there are so far in the back that like ones like my last tooth and ones like back here. So I just don't even there's two teeth actually missing in my mouth that see when I smile, you can't really tell.
When did you get that removed? Curiosity.
I got that removed about a year ago and then my thyroid was functioning better because of that.
Crazy. Yeah, see, that's what I'm talking about.
So I still wasn't able to get off of thyroid medicine altogether, but it definitely was better. And actually I had to reduce my thyroid medicine once I had that done because my thyroid was functioning at a better level.
Exactly what you're saying is, is exactly what I'm trying to communicate. I mean, you just said it so eloquently. It's just you can you can see improved function in your thyroid when you start to take care of these things. That doesn't necessarily mean you will completely off of thyroid dosage, but you can see some changes in the functioning as you get these things resolved and cleared up. So, yeah, you just said that so eloquently. Thank you.
Let's talk about fluoride for a second, because, you know, I feel like fluoride. A lot of people are doing all these fluoride mouthwashes and fluoride to get their teeth cleaned and all these different things. And it's so much in our water. It's in certain medications. It's in some bottled beverages and some it's in some different teas like red and black teas, that it's in some canned food items so they all can contain fluoride. And the amount of fluoride we're getting inundated with fluoride can act as a trigger for thyroid health. So can you talk about that a little?
Yes, fluoride, chlorine, you know, all of that. And so, yes, it does. It competes with the sites of the iodine and it does actually dysregulated thyroid gland and not make it work as well. So a big thing that I really just recommend to address that is get a really good water filtration device, because that's going to lower those lower both of those down to stop the assault on your thyroid gland. I'm not a big fan of fluoride mouthwashes in products. I'm all about using a natural toothpaste. I use something called Dental Sitin, which is what I talked about with the biocide. And before that will help bacteria in your mouth. And so, yes, I do not use a fluoride toothpaste and I am not I'm not a dentist. I don't play one on TV. But my dentist said that once your teeth have formed, that fluoride doesn't help to keep the teeth stronger. It doesn't it doesn't do anything to change the teeth, which is, I think, the big reason that we're constantly fluoride teeth and I don't have any mouth, gum, dental problems. So I think the best thing is no one to change over your mouth wash, to not use something, to not use fluoride. And I've got a good recommendation. I don't have any affiliation with them, but they're called elemental silver mouthwash. And so they have a really good mouthwash. And I can I can send a link below if somebody is interested in that. And I think just the water filtration devices that will actually filter things out.
So one of the things I recommend is figuring out what's in your water, because not only can you have chlorine byproducts, fluoride. As well as heavy metals, believe it or not, in your water, as with so think, what I recommend is going to something called Environmental Working Group Dog Eat Dog.
And what that does is it tells you what's in your water supply, right? So it tells you. So the city is going to report, your city is going to report or your municipality is going to say, well, these we've kept these things below the standard in parts per million.
This is OK with the Environmental Working Group is going to say is that we know that these things are in your water. These are higher than optimal amounts or they are here. And so they will tell you, hey, this is a good filtration device device to use for your water source.
Now, one thing that I found is that fluoride is harder to filter out in a lot of the water filtration devices, the whole house, water filtration devices. And so you have to think about where you're getting it. You're not only drinking it, you're not only using it in mouthwashes or in toothpaste, which are also when you take a really hot shower, it's absorbed into your skin. You think about those pieces. So you really want to address all the ways that it might be coming in. So maybe a shower filtration device. And I know that Burkey Water Filters is really quite good and they actually are going to filter that out. So they so they're good on it. And that's what I would recommend to really limit your exposure. You want to limit your exposure to all these environmental chemicals.
And I think what I would like to say, in lieu of intermittent fasting, for example, intermittent fasting is so powerful, Fassie general is so powerful to get these chemicals out. But you want to stop exposure to them because a big reason that people can't fully water, for example, is because they're mobilizing so many chemicals. That's why they feel so bad, or that's why people feel so bad initially fasting because we saw that in our fat and then we mobilize it. We just feel terrible and a lot of times we can't get it out. So reducing your exposure is definitely step one. There's also another good resource called Tap Spor, if you like. I don't know what's in my water and I really just want to get it checked. That's also from the Environmental Working Group, Dog or Dog. It's called Tap. Or you can send a sample of your water and just really see what's in your water and what's concerning me.
That's awesome. Well, that's that's a really good observation.
You know, one of the things that people really need to know about the Burki water and I have those at my office, I do have a full water filter in our whole house. But then I also have the reverse osmosis water for drinking.
But people have to remember that they have to for the Burki water, there's a separate filter for the fluoride. So like just because you get the murky water machine, there's an additional, like, filter that you have to hook on to put in for the fluoride to.
Exactly. Nice. Nicely said.
So as far as let's talk about other things that you feel like are really affecting people thyroid wise, that they need to know that I haven't asked you already.
Stress stress is huge. I think stress affects everything. So I think stress is a big component. A couple of things that I've really seen a trigger. Hashimoto's, for example, autoimmune thyroid is I'll see folks that settle into a car accident or suddenly have a very stressful event and then the thyroid is completely spun out and then they show antibodies to their thyroid gland where they didn't a year before.
So stress is a huge component, which we touched on environmental toxicity. We've touched on that health. We've touched on mold, for example. And then nutrient deficiencies, I think, are the big things that really affect your thyroid health.
Hmmm, that's awesome.
All right, I have one more question, and this is from Justin in Sedona, Arizona. I have lost 42 pounds doing intermittent fasting and thank you for your podcast, as it has encouraged me each day. Thank you for talking about extended fasting. And one thing that I don't understand is that I just did a three day fast and it was the easiest thing ever. On another day, I might try to do a twenty four hour fast and it was absolutely awful. What is the difference and what's going on in my body that some days doing a three day water fast is easy and then at the next time just going through 10 hours might seem like a nightmare.
Justin in Sedona, Arizona, What I miss to cut out just a smidge. I heard that she's having some days it's easy to fast and then some days and extended fast is harder once I'm experiencing.
Yeah. So she's just she didn't get what she's just saying one time she did a three day fast and it was like a breeze for her the next time she did a 24 hour fast and it was like really, really hard. I've had that happen to me. So really she's saying like what's going on in my body that sometimes I can go for three days and sometimes, you know, just doing 24 hours is really difficult.
Yeah, that is such a great question.
The big thing that I think is going on is when you are cleaning out your fat and you are mobilizing that utilize fasting, you are also mobilizing nasty toxins, benzenes, benzene, toxicity, mold, parabens, things that you've been exposed to, things that your mom was exposed to, heavy metals.
And all of that is actually getting mobilized.
And sometimes if your detox pathways aren't working well or or sometimes you actually need a little more support finding these toxicities that are coming out of your body because you're not eliminating those well and you're tapping into those fat stores where there's a little bit more toxicity. And so my guess is there could be a problem with elimination somewhere. So my suggestion on that would be occasionally potentially doing some binder's making sure that liver function is good and making sure that function is good and then Findus can be really easy. So we're talking about Binder's like fiber. You can do activated charcoal, can do bentonite clay zeolite. They're pretty straightforward and easy.
She was just antioxidant level isn't isn't great, so my guess is that she's mobilizing a lot of other toxins.
Yeah, I think that's so good. And I will say this, Justin, is that I recently I just went to there's a place called Review for Juv or something like that. And they give just different shots. They do IVs, but they also do like B 12 shots, be six shots, vitamin D shots like an immune blend. So I went in one day and I was just kind of like I just told the lady, I said, give me all of that. Like, I want to be twelve. I want to be complex. I want this. I want that. She gave me the vitamin D, the B complex, all of it. I did it. And then I had some really big decisions to make. I was selling some buildings, buying some new buildings, just making big, big decisions. So I had made the decision to do a three day fast to really pray about what I needed to do. So I did that and I felt the same way, like this last three day fast that I just did was a breeze. Like I was literally like after the three days was up, actually went a little bit longer because I was like, I'm I'm fine. Like, let me just keep going until I can't go anymore. So I kind of went three and I actually made it like three days and like another 12 hours or whatever, you know, so you can detox pathways. It's amazing. Yeah. And and so just getting those nuge, having all those nutrients in me made such a big difference. But the other thing that I noticed for myself was what you just said is the elimination is the key, because I know that for me, I've literally like I'll be let's say I'm sitting at work and I might be feeling bad and then I will, like, start getting a headache and I start feeling like, oh, and then I will go to the bathroom and eliminate and go take a poop. And then I'll feel like a million bucks like right afterwards. And it's all those toxins just brought me down. And so if I'm really constipated, I'm not going to be able to fast, totally constipated.
Your liver is not running and like exactly what you said. So detox pathways also be 12. Make sure you have the right nutrients. The other thing, too, is sweating and like more of a sinus situation that might help a little bit as well just to be like calm, like that parasympathetic state not working out and sweating because you're more in a sympathetic state. So you're finding less toxins in a sweat. And when you just sweat in a sauna in and ultimately that will help also get some of those toxins out. If you're feeling really bad, that's awesome.
Well, you always brings so much wisdom and knowledge. Tell listeners and where they can find you, where they can follow you.
All right. So you can find me on Instagram. It's at D-R. It's my name, D-R Ann Marie Barter. And it will for that link below. And then my website is alternative family medicine. Thank you.
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