[00:00:00] Hey, guys, I'm so excited to introduce you to our next guest. [00:00:03][3.5]
[00:00:04] And he is one of the founders of Divine Elements. And you've got a team of people with you that work with you. Is that right? [00:00:11][7.0]
[00:00:11] We do, yeah. We've got well, my my wife and myself basically started this business over 10 years ago. And we've got another doctor on staff and about three support staff helping to run the show. [00:00:25][13.5]
[00:00:27] Awesome, so tell us a little bit about your practice. Tell us about yourself and your your whole practice. [00:00:31][4.6]
[00:00:32] Yeah. So I mean, our practice is really birth because my wife and I, we love to travel. [00:00:37][5.3]
[00:00:38] And so we were actually planning on working in a multi-disciplinary detox center in Costa Rica. After after we graduated from public school. And life has a funny way of staring you in the direction that wants to go. And we ended up moving back to Vancouver, where we did our Nashabi training and opened a practice center and the place or the area that I lived in where I was going to school. And so our practices evolved like like we all do over time. It's changed in many different areas. We started off doing just sort of basic natural pelvic treatments and then moved into a specializing in or expertise in hormone replacement therapy and understanding things from, you know, longevity or anti-aging point of view, also from a weight management point of view. And then less three to five years we've been diving more into detoxification and really ramping up the fasting protocols in our clinic and addictions or recovery. And we're just about to launch what's called the longevity lab, where we're bringing in hyperbaric therapy and red lights and so on us and all these other supportive tools that are going to support people on their journey towards optimal health and longevity. [00:01:50][72.2]
[00:01:51] And now I love on your website how Sonya's your wife's first name. Right. So like you have on there, like Dr. Sonia Jensen, she specializes in women's hormone health, you know, cell health. And then you you kind of have your specialties of like heavy metal detox and you kind of each have your own little specialties between you two. [00:02:11][19.6]
[00:02:12] Yeah, definitely. [00:02:13][0.3]
[00:02:14] Well, let's talk about fasting and let's talk about people that you see who maybe have tried fasting and they're now in a lull. So they might say, you know, we see this a lot. We get questions all the time where people will quickly lose 20 or 30 pounds like that. And they're like, oh, my gosh, this is the greatest thing ever. But now they've got 20 more pounds to lose and they they are doing the fasting, but that's not enough. So what what are you seeing of some of the issues that are going on there? [00:02:48][34.4]
[00:02:49] Yeah, well, I mean, there's so many different layers to it and we're all so unique in our individual. [00:02:53][4.1]
[00:02:55] Biochemical pathways or genetics or are environmental stimuli or are stressors. Our microbiome. I mean, there's a lot of different factors that influence us as individuals. And at the same time. I mean, we're we're just we're a result of our behaviors and our belief systems about ourselves. Right. And often with when people hit a plateau, it's often. Are you actually doing it properly? You know, I mean, one of the tools that we teach people is if you're not getting more objective in your journey with fasting, looking at your numbers, finding what level of ketone you're at or what your blood sugar is that I mean, with all the clients, we run them through a series of blood tests to find out where they hormonally stunted. Maybe they're running insulin dominance, though the first 20 pounds is pretty easy. And finding where someone's stock is really is is our job is as physicians to help people find their way through. So because, you know, the normal the normalcy of a lot of the stuff that we all try, it can be any diet, it could be any new exercise regiment. We sort of we get to a point where we go. I think I've learned all I can and on my own. And now this isn't working. And we're saying do something else instead. We have a chance or an opportunity to go. You know, I'm going to dove a little deeper. I'm going to look for mentorship and look for a doctor that knows this and you'll look for coaching. Listen to this more podcast, specially ones of fasting. I'll raise, you know, whatever it may be that we need to just dove a little bit deeper because there's something moving prevent you from moving forwards. [00:04:22][87.1]
[00:04:24] Oh, my gosh. I love that so much because I have a part in my book and I call it shiny ball diet syndrome. Yeah, sure. Because what happens is people are like, oh, they're doing good, they're doing good. And then they get into a lull and then they go up. Now I'm going to try this crazy diet. Now I'm gonna go on Jenny Craig. Now I'm gonna go on Atkins. Now I'm going to do this. And then they just go from one thing to another. And so they just get kind of crazy because they're jumping in to something else because they're in that law. [00:04:55][31.0]
[00:04:56] Oh, totally. I mean, this is this is the, you know, the modern phenomenon of us being, like you said, love. I love that analogy because you're looking for the next shiny object. [00:05:07][11.0]
[00:05:07] And it's so true. You know, we did we'd forget just what develops us as human beings is just constant discipline. I mean, I don't know who quoted this, but you got to put 10000 hours in to master any technique. Right. And I take it back for people. I walk through people walk this through with people in what we call the four levels of learning. And the first level is just as complete a place of complete ignorance. You know, it's unconscious, incompetent. And then you move into the next level, which is conscious incompetence, which is basically, I know something's wrong, but I've no idea what to do about it. And then and then you move into conscious competence where you start to getting some momentum here. This is starting to make sense, but it requires willpower and focus and determination, discipline. And that's where we sort of fall back into our old behaviors. And like I said, if we're not changing our belief system or identity of who we see ourselves to be, it's really hard to keep the momentum going into the fourth level, which is unconscious incompetence, which is basically like, I don't I just don't even consider that food, you know, put enter McDonald's, Burger King, whatever you want into that line there. And that's just not food's. Of course, it doesn't go in my body. Instead, people go, well, how do I bring my old my old habits and behaviors into work it into this new strategy? Well, that's where this has to be turned into a lifestyle change, as you know. You know, it's it's not just about, oh, let's do the next best diet. I don't consider it. And fasting diet. I literally look at it as a way to serve our cellular homeostasis. We need autophagy and we need building. And that's that's the dance that we all have to implement and to to sustain and acquire long, long term health. [00:06:49][101.9]
[00:06:50] Well, I love that you have an E fasting book on your website to go and check that out. Give listeners a little hint of something that's in that free e-book. [00:07:00][9.5]
[00:07:01] You know what I think because what we're actually leading people through in your book or opening people the ideas is block fast. And so it goes beyond, you know, again, you mentioned this begin at the beginning. You know what happens when people get to that level where maybe they've hit a plateau? Well, you got it. You got to create more adaptability in the body. And so it's encouraging people to look at the data, look at the science, which I list a ton of great information in there. Just about this is safe. This is normal. And we're meant to go through longer periods of, you know, known stressors that we're applying on our own body that are gonna elicit a change. And so it's science. It's really easily, easily digestible, easy to read, easy to implement. And if nothing else, it's going to stir and plant a seed in someone to think, you know, there's there's something to this. I'm going to I'm going to look a little bit deeper and that's my hope with the book. [00:07:57][55.3]
[00:07:58] Now, what is the longest fast you've ever done? And do you have any tips or tricks to kind of make it easier to do an extended fast? [00:08:07][8.7]
[00:08:08] Well, it's funny because every quarter we walk a group through what we call the metabolic fix. And we just finished. I just finished my five day fast two days ago. So once a quarter, I do a block fast of varying length, five, five to 10 days. [00:08:22][14.0]
[00:08:22] But my longest straight water fast was 10 days, my longest sort of modified what we call partial fast was twelve days. [00:08:31][8.3]
[00:08:33] And so the strategy is to move through is honestly so much of this is in the preparation you so everything you're teaching, leading people in through understand the role of intermittent fasting and eventually checking their numbers and things like that. That's a Segway into creating that metabolic flexibility to feel a tap in those those fuel cells that have been sitting dormant in hibernation waiting to be used. And then once you set up that structure within the body, the organization and stimulus into the mitochondria to rev up that cellular energy, now you're ready to, you know, dabble into some longer fasts. And maybe for. I mean, how we implement is basically move people into 24 hour fast. And then from there we go into a two or three day fast and then up to a five day. And then the reality is, I mean, if people get to day three because day two to three suck, for the most part, they're quite challenging for many people. The top Jiji process it's doing on that cellular cleaning can sometimes come with its symptoms like headaches and can be palpitations, different things as you're as you're shedding fat in your body or releasing toxicities. So there there are some challenges. And but once you get to day four or five, I mean, the stream of consciousness that comes through the brain because you're getting all this new juice and seventy five percent of your energy when you're in a four or five day fast is coming from ketones and it's just surging into your brain. So the illumination of you and your power, your internal power, you have such gratitude for the gift of being alive in this human form to to see what happens when we start being and stop doing. And so there's there's many, many, many gifts in that block fast that that take your you know, your lifestyle practice off of Intiman fasting into a whole new, whole new everything you're saying. [00:10:15][102.4]
[00:10:16] BLOCK fasting. What do you mean when you say that? [00:10:19][2.8]
[00:10:19] Yeah. So we have different ways of doing fasting. [00:10:22][2.7]
[00:10:23] BLOCK Fasting just means that we're going we're actually defining a timeline longer than, you know, the 16 age or whatever. It's been popularized five by a restricted real window. So the. Because the reality is that kind of way before entering fasting for me is just how we're supposed to be eating. I according to like Dr. Jason Fung and some other experts in the field, this isn't really true fasting until you've gone past 36, 48 hours. And because what's happening, the men metabolism is completely changing, right. In the first 24 to 36 hours, you're starting to break down. Some of them inflamed tissue, some of the proteins in the body and people go onone, you'll lose muscle. This is going to. I'm going to reduce my metabolism. I'm just going to gain all the weight back. And end it's fear mode. But what happens actually is as you start to break down some of that really problematic inflamed tissue, the micro proteins, the scar tissue, the you know, some of the microbes and other things interfering with their health. Then you're starting to manage. Finally, glucose is starting to drop a little bit more. Ketones are trying to rise. And that's that transition zone. It's so challenging for people. But eventually your metabolism is actually increasing when you're fasting. This is what people do understand. You're actually boosting your metabolism. You're raising levels epinephrine to release and cause more glucose to be released when needed. But essentially, growth hormones rising, which is allowing for a fat metabolism state when we're stuck in insulin dominance from the constant food flurry going into our mouths throughout the whole three day every day, most of us and fortunately on that plan or stock or will eventually be in some resistant and pre-diabetic. And you can't burn fat when you're pre-diabetic. Grimson And resistant and won't happen. So this process maintains muscle mass. Burns fat. So you can do this with straight water. You can do this like a bone broth type fast. You can do. Valter Longo popularized the fasting mimicking diet, which is, you know, five days a month. Whatever frequency someone might want to do, where you eat around a hundred calories of of a vegetarian only meals, which works fantastic. And then the partial fast, which we sort of use a lot in our clinic as well, which is utilizing the tool of intermittent fasting, having essentially one meal a day vegetarian. And it's going to be closer to about 500 calories, maybe between five and eight hundred calories. And that's for five days in a row. And lots of different strategies, and so someone's first fast. You might want to lean in with partial, faster fasting, mimicking diet or bone broth or or that version before going to a true water fast. [00:13:02][159.0]
[00:13:04] I love that because there are people who need that transition and I love the term partial fasting. So give someone an example of what they would eat on that partial fasting. So you're saying you want it to be vegan? Like have you done a partial fast yourself? And what would what would you have eaten? [00:13:20][16.0]
[00:13:21] Yeah. You bet. I mean, last was it last year, I did a challenge of myself every month. I was going to do some version of a fast and sauteed water fasting at our event. Fasting. Added bone broth, fasting. You name it. So, yeah, I've done. I've done. I think I've done it all, I'm sure. [00:13:36][14.8]
[00:13:36] Can you talk about the different ones you've done? Because that would be great. [00:13:39][2.7]
[00:13:40] Sure. So, I mean, water fasting. I like the most because I'm getting you're getting the most autophagy. You get the most bring clarity. Your ketones rise the most. You're getting so much cellular repair and water fast. And so for me, that's that's my favorite. It's not my favorite. On day two to three, that's where I get a little more challenge. Lumo lethargic when that energy diversion starting to change. But yeah, to be honest, I don't read like bone broth fasting because I get hungry. Water fasting literally turns off those switches. Partial fasting is great. And to be honest, I mean I pursell fast at least three or four days in my week because I'm just eating once a day, you know, three, four days a week when I'm at work. I don't I don't eat during the days when I get home with my family. So I love partial fasting because it's so easy. And my wife, Sonia, when she does it, her numbers in a partial fast are almost similar to mine when I do a waterfall. So there's some people that just have that. And maybe it's genetic switch. I know women are more efficient typically at raising Kito levels. I mean, every every woman in her metabolic fixed group that we teach, I mean, their numbers are like way better to mine on their day two and three. And it takes me like five days and off of a water fast to match their like two or three of a partial fast. So and and there's some evidence to show that for women, the reason that is because women are capable of feeding another body. And so you've had to be able to tap into your reserves a lot more effectively to feed a baby. So maybe that's part of it. I don't know. [00:15:12][92.4]
[00:15:13] I feel like I personally feel like guys have an easier time. I have an easier time. It's funny because I have done so. [00:15:22][8.5]
[00:15:23] I have really don't even know anyone who's done more fasting than I have. I've done so many different fast. Two day fast, three day fast, five day fast. I do twenty four hour fast all the time. But the thing is, is that there are days when I have finally learned and it's taken me a while is where I am on my menstrual cycle. So I just literally tried to do it 24 a 48 hour fast because I was like talking to a friend. I was like, let's do a 48 hour fast. And I did it at a time where it was like right around my period. And I already know better than that. I didn't even make it. So for me not to make a 48 hour fast someone who does fasting all the time. I was just like I was in such a bad mood. [00:16:10][47.1]
[00:16:10] I was getting grumpy and I was like yelling at everyone. I'm like, that's it. I'm eating. I love it. [00:16:15][4.8]
[00:16:16] So for me, what I've learned is if I'm going to do that fast, I have to do it on day one is my period. I'm gonna do it somewhere between day fifteen and day twenty one. My best chance of me doing any kind of longer fast. I can do a 24 hour fast. Any time in the month. That's no problem. But once I go over 24 hours, I need to be very conscious of what time of the month it is for me. So that's where I feel like you guys have a lot of. You're totally. Yeah. [00:16:46][30.0]
[00:16:47] I mean, and so my wife thought you should have her on the podcast. [00:16:48][1.9]
[00:16:49] So she had I in the female aspect of fasting such a beautiful way. But yeah, we tell our patients don't fast. A week before your period unless you want, you know, unless you want your husband to run away from you because it's it's not a good place. [00:17:02][12.7]
[00:17:02] It's Tassone is just like you. She's experiment with experiment with that as well. And it's it's not fun being around her. So, yeah, you have definitely more of a time restriction monthly than men do. And I think you know it, too. To your point from before, men have an easier time. Family. Like a cyclical version. Men also tend in general, not all men, but men tend to in general have higher levels of lean muscle mass and testosterone. So they can they can burn through typically fat faster. It's just that women tend to get higher ketones on average from what we've seen. And so I think that's probably where there's a little bit of that difference in gapping. Women just typically should have more fat on their body than men. And I think that's where there's some of the. Maybe even the challenges with with weight loss or wasting away, as you say, fell, so. [00:17:57][55.0]
[00:17:58] OK. [00:17:58][0.0]
[00:17:58] So when you're doing your partial fast, you're saying, OK, I'm going to just eat one meal a day, I'm going to make sure it's like 800 calories or less and or is it 500 calories? [00:18:08][10.4]
[00:18:09] This partial fast is closer to five hundred. It's like it's like the most unsatisfying meal you could ever imagine. Right. [00:18:15][6.1]
[00:18:16] Yeah. So basically some examples give you a handful. [00:18:19][3.2]
[00:18:20] So basically a lazy vegetarian only. So vegan, essentially you as you said, you don't want any other you don't weigh in proteins. And it turns out that I think anything over 20 grams of protein is going to kick you out of autophagy. So the NewsRadio's is to do a vegan soup. Essentially, you could just, you know, broccoli, cauliflower, all the aboveground veggies. We don't use any of the root vegetables in any of the meals typically during a partial fast. So it's just all the leafy greens. Like I said, the above-ground veggies making soups are the easiest way to do it. It could be a little stir fry. It could be something like that. You know, for five days or some of the dishes remain. I mean, and they're usually what we had. I mean, there's different ways to do it. The fast American diet has sort of a strategy to sort of increase carbohydrates and then restrict them and then sort of bring them back in. But generally speaking, it's unsatisfying because you're not eating to feel like you would see and enjoyment, fasting schedule. You're really trying to be mindful of keeping around that 500 calorie intake so you can really deep dove deeper into autophagy and and raise those ketones. [00:19:24][63.9]
[00:19:25] So hopefully that gave you a bit of an idea. [00:19:27][1.9]
[00:19:28] Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So let's talk a little bit about some things, other issues that you're seeing. So let's say that you go to see someone and let's say maybe they have a thyroid issue because that's that is one thing that I hear from people a lot. So let's say they're taking thyroid meds. OK. Let's let me back up for a second, because that's a big question. Regather for people who are on thyroid meds and now they're trying to do a longer fast say a three day fast or five day fast. And now because they're taking those thyroid meds, they're not feeling good. [00:20:01][33.1]
[00:20:01] So while they're in there fast, like maybe their thyroid is starting to work more. And so that thyroid medication that they were taking is not not right. Yeah, right. Dosage while they're fasting, you know. [00:20:14][12.8]
[00:20:15] Right. To be honest, I mean, we haven't seen too many difficulties with dosage adjustments in fasting. And it also depends on how they let into a fast. So I wouldn't take someone who has never done any fasting and put them into a block fast before they're they're metabolically ready until we can see that their body is capable of utilizing ketones, that they could actually feel that they're starting to feel some of the positive benefits of of fasting. So let's let's imagine someone's gone through that journey and is there and is is ready for that. You know, on the on the way there, we don't try to think of like dosage adjustments because we're usually moderate bloodwork, too. And so that's usually one of our best gages. But here's here's an example. When people are fasting, it's common, unfortunately, to sometimes feel like heart palpitations. And so it's hard to tell what's coming from the medication, what's coming from the fasting experience, from like, say, revving up your metabolism too aggressively. So it's it's so individual, to be honest. So, no, we don't do a lot of changing to the meds unless they're on ridiculously high levels of thyroid medication and they need to be toned down anyways. But like I said, I think most of that tapering would would be done prior to an actual block fast. [00:21:32][77.2]
[00:21:33] So let's talk about some of the typical causes for heart palpitations, been seeing this more and more. We just had one of the guys who works at our company. He's like, I have to leave early. He's like, I'm going to urgent care. I'm like, why? He's like, I'm having massive heart palpitations and I don't know what it was and I can't remember what his reason was. Maybe it was like low iron or something. I can't remember. But he came back and was like, I'm fine. It was it was this or whatever. So but I'm hearing more and more with people having heart heart palpitations. So what would give us a list of what are some of those causes? [00:22:12][39.1]
[00:22:14] Yeah, I mean, one of the big ones is just epinephrine starts to rise. When we're in a longer fast because it's trying to mobilize glucose for us because our ketones haven't risen yet. Or maybe we just we're not realizing recognize our underlying traumas or stressors and we're getting triggered a multitude different ways and we're feeling overwhelmed. So anxiety is rising and there there with it, that epinephrine surge. So I think that's probably the most common. It should be the most common just based on basic physiology. And then the other one would could just be electrolyte deficiency. You know, as you're in this kind of relates back to your thyroid question. You know, when you're when you're asking more of your body because starvation, you know, or fasting, you know how overweight, whichever way you relate to it, is a stress on the body. Right. And so it's going to ask more of your thyroid is going to ask more of your adrenal glands, which means you going to be utilizing a little bit more of the minerals and things needed to for combustion in those organs, glandular systems. And so often that can be related to that. And sometimes, you know, when people are fasting sometimes or drinking a ton of water not materializing. And so they're getting all this questionable water into their body, it's stripping the body of minerals. And so you're getting a double whammy with the fattest state, plus the questionable and higher than normal consumption of water. And so I think those are probably the most common reasons. I mean. And then thirdly, I guess would be, you know, as you're raising ketones, obviously they're coming from somewhere, which means you're breaking down fat. And we all know that toxicity is stored in fat tissue. And so as you eat away your fat tissue and use it for energy, you're going to start releasing toxicity into the body. And that's and again, that's just another version of stress. And so, yes, you know, that could be another trigger for epinephrine. It could be a trigger for your thyroid gland. It could be trigger for something else. Would lead to it. But we've had people go through that without just consulting with us first. And they'll say, you know, it's first of all, palpitations usually don't linger there. They're there for period time to help because your body's trying to get through this acute stress. And then it sort of clears. I'm curious that you've done a ton of fasting. You must have had some of those in your experiences as well. [00:24:24][129.9]
[00:24:25] Yeah, I would say the one thing that I do is I I have am anemic, so I have low iron. So I will. There are some supplements that I take. I have some thyroid issues. So for me, like selenium helps, iron helps. So and just taking like definitely I take a lot of like sea salt, like Himalayan pinguin seesaw. I'll just take it put on my hand and just literally lick it. Or even if I'm doing a water fast, sometimes I'll take like a spoonful of like one spoonful of pickle juice. Yeah, I do have one tablespoon of that. [00:25:05][39.9]
[00:25:06] And unlike like like that you have for. Yeah. [00:25:13][7.1]
[00:25:14] You know, what am I what am I go to. Is was at nighttime because I'm SONIAT I always have a tea and a time. That was that's our that's our sort of dating ritual. At nighttime we put our kids to bed. We ever t and that's nice chat with one another. And so when I can't do that, when I'm fasting of boiling some water and throw some salt in there, it takes a bone broth to me. So that's that's one of my little hack's. Yes. But it's you kind of brought up a well you did. You brought up a really important question especially. But it's so relatable to you with with your own thyroid experience. I mean, some of the main reasons why people are anemic or, you know, they have to add more selenium in their diet thyroids off to begin with is because of heavy metal toxicity or underlying infections that haven't been addressed. Right. So, you know, speaking of those types of individuals that have that underlying factor in relation to thyroid, getting into a fast can definitely be more challenging. It can be kind of provoking for a lot more symptoms and might require a little more hand-holding. And I think that just kind of goes back to a proper support system leading into a farce to try to find as many what we call upstream variables that are interfering with someone's overall health. And and before they go into deeper fasting, it also don't want this to sound like it has to be a medical experiment for people to fast, because obviously it's built in. Very DNA and but this is kind of, you know, part of the first conversation, what happens when people hit plateaus? Well, you got to dig a little bit deeper in your own health. You know, I tell everyone to go off, at least on your own and everyone listening. Please do this. Create a health timeline for yourself. I know when I was a kid, I was like the kid who had the allergies, the exemple I was allergic to different foods. I always had the asthma respirator. And I had all that stuff when I was a kid. And I mean that none of that's part of my story anymore, of course. But. You know what? What we were childhood hospitalizations, were you on the birth control pill and if you're a woman, if you did, you have metal fillings. Did you have root canals or other surgeries? Did you have tonsils get removed? What is your health history look like for where you are today? Because all those influences have affected you. Where I grew up in the Okanagan and up in sort of the border of the Washington border. Washington, British Columbia border. Tons of orchards in our area. And I remember running through our orchard fields and running behind the sprayers and like eating apples off the trees right after they'd been sprayed. And, you know, we were we were riddled with toxins in our body and in the in the orchard environment that we lived in. And my parents had a concrete manufacturing plant, which I used to work out every summer. So many chemicals there that I was exposed to. And so part of my own healing story came from diving a little bit deeper, checking my heavy metal toxicity levels, checking my food sensitivities, looking at, you know, my hormone functions and looking all these things because it told my health picture and where I needed to focus a little bit more, which was just part of the deeper dove. I think we all need to go on. [00:28:11][177.5]
[00:28:14] I know one thing that was going to ask you, I just remembered when you were talking about the partial fasting and you were saying have above ground veggies. Explain that. So what makes it different for you to have aboveground veggies versus ones below ground? [00:28:30][15.7]
[00:28:31] Yeah, yeah. Basically, I mean, you're just you're getting less of the starchy veg, which which can be a little bit more insane provoking. And because we want to sort of it's sort of like you just want quick fuel and then you want it out of your body versus like a sustained fuel source that, you know, you can maybe tap into more or support more of those glycogen stores. But we really want depleted glycogen stores as much as we can in a partial fast. And it's just sort of just to tickle you and give you something to look forward to every day. And that's how I look at it. Is that over you on that like that day 1 to day 2, it's this lack of joy that sets in is so palpable. And but when you're doing a partial fast, you always have something to look forward to. [00:29:13][42.1]
[00:29:13] Right. That's true. [00:29:15][1.4]
[00:29:16] Well, let's talk about the metal fillings and the impact of your health. Have you. Have you seen anyone that has gotten the metal fillings extracted out of their teeth and how they're their life has been impacted with that? [00:29:28][12.3]
[00:29:29] Oh, man, it's worse. It's huge. I mean, and everyone's again, everyone's different. We all have different detoxification pathways, microbiology and whatnot. But I mean, let's take list. I would go back to the symptoms. First of all, people typically with metal fillings sell their mouth, tend to have weight loss resistance. They tend to have brain fog, energy dips, a little bit slower recovery maybe, or wound healing, maybe slower bowel movements, insomnia, thyroid issues. So those are the typical types of neurotoxic complications from mercury and eventually can lead to anxiety and depression or mental health changes because it's just chronic state of brain inflammation. I mean, I encourage people to to really research this. I mean, mercury off gas is at room temperature. So just imagine what's happening in your mouth at night, 8.6 Fahrenheit for you guys down the states. You know that just the heat exposure in the mouth. Then you have an acid environment because all of the enzymes are in the mouth or they're causing this leaching. Some people have two different types of metals. And so that creates is galvanic reaction, which which is like this electrical current that's forcing even more metal out into your mouth. And then once you're in mercury vapor, it's just perforating into all the tissues. And the closest surrounding most important tissue is obviously your brain. And so anything downstream from the brain, hormonal neurological pain responses, like you said, like that, the mysterious fibromyalgia chronic fatigue syndrome. I mean, it's all connected. How is how well is our brain functioning? Yeah. So. Yeah. So when you when you actually pull out root cause issues, what we call upstream issues, the body can finally like stop attacking with its immune system in those areas. And so especially with like I mean thyroid, TPR is through proxies, antibody levels go down significantly, like autoimmune markers drop considerably when those things are just gone because it's just one less thing the immune system has to deal with. So objectively and then subjectively, all those symptoms I spoke to, they they really start to mobilize. [00:31:34][124.5]
[00:31:36] So do you have like any suggestions for, like, finding the right dentist who can remove that cause? Do you? Isn't it pretty important to find someone who kind of specializes in the removal of it? [00:31:49][12.6]
[00:31:50] It's it's so important. I mean, I would encourage it every day. Like if there's practitioners assist, make friends with the dentist that you can trust because they're your honesty, they're their greatest ally. And we we have a close relationship with. Our local dentist for the for these reasons. We want people to make sure that when they're getting an extraction, it's done in a safe environment so that, you know, they're not just, oh, you know what those anymore. We'll just yank them out. No problem. There's a lot of the trouble is that once they're pulled, that's where that's where you you potentially could get a big exposure. So we have a very specific detox protocol for people when they're going in to see their dentist. And so that they follow that and then they come back and we do an I.V. treatment on them with high dose vitamin C to just try to deliver as much of whatever maybe came out in their procedure to be eliminated from the body. So a bit of tips. You got to you be your own advocate. You got a search. You've got to ask. You know, I would look at I would even encourage people to look online for type in like proper mercury extraction video and you'll see them like they're fully it's like hazmat suits with proper vacuums. And it's it's really well taken care of. And so you gotta you got to research. I mean, I wish there was like this chain of dentists all across North America that, you know, we could say that's the that's those are the guys you got to go see. But it's just not like that. It all depends on what air you're in. [00:33:12][82.4]
[00:33:14] So this has been wonderful. And you guys are in Canada. Vancouver. Correct. We're in Vancouver. Yeah, yeah. [00:33:19][5.6]
[00:33:20] Yeah. So now you can see patients anywhere. Yeah. We have Viper vs Zem. [00:33:25][5.6]
[00:33:26] Yeah. Yeah. We we we seal our patients from different different areas in North America and beyond. And yeah, we coach them on online just like we're we're having a wonderful chat right now on Xoom. [00:33:37][10.3]
[00:33:38] Now do you do. Are you big on like hair analysis testing? Do you do a lot of blood testing? So if someone wanted to come see you and they said, okay, let's do it. Azem you know what? What kind of testing do you kind of are a fan of? [00:33:50][12.0]
[00:33:51] You know, here's my here's my thing with hair testing. I think it's great. It's great as a as a one off status. What I always want to see, though, is always we always want to see a urine test because we want to see before provoking a medal out of your body. And then what's happening once we use the provoking agent, that way we can see what's the body doing on its own. And what are some sort of ongoing regular exposures that we can see in that urine. And then the. And then once you take the key later and follow the protocol for collection, now we can see what's actually stuck deeper in the body that wants to come out. So there there's value in all of them. And you're testing for different types of mercury when you're looking at hair versus urine. And there's value in it all. To be honest, I mean, it's just what we use from a protocol point of view. We would want to always see the before and after for your point of view. And so. Yeah. I mean, there's it's great. I mean, in the US, you guys have got it good. Because all of our clients that are down the US, I mean, we just you guys have access to a plethora of different labs through certain Web sites so you can download requisitions, go to your local. You know, I think a lab corps for those blood draws a lot of kids as long as there's a practitioner authorizing a recommendation for a certain like a urine test. That's that's easily shipped out to the patients. So a lot of this stuff, thankfully, in this modern age, one of the one of the benefits is that this telemedicine opportunity is quite palpable. Right. [00:35:21][90.5]
[00:35:22] All right. I'll ask you one last question and then I'll let you go. So this is one of the things that I struggle with to this day. [00:35:29][6.5]
[00:35:29] And even though and that is constipation. So any tips that you have for our listeners and including me of what you would say that kind of really helps? Like what do you see as some of the main causes when people come to you for constipation? And what are some of your best fixes for it? [00:35:48][19.2]
[00:35:49] Yeah. So the first thing is definitely to look upstream. So we would want to look at. Yes. I mean, you mentioned thyroid. We got to look at thyroid is you know, it's one thing to support thyroid. It's another thing to actually get that thing working again. And so that's all coming from from the brain. It's the brain communication to the thyroid. And when that connection's happening, that's usually not a problem. So that's they'll be step one, look upstream. What's interfering with just basic peristalsis and that's coming from a communication stressor. Step two is to definitely give food sensitivities. I want to find out what's causing inflammation in the GI tract, which is which is causing, you know, changes to the microbiology. That would be definitely step to looking from a nutritional point of view. Three would be, you know, sometimes this is worse or symptom management can be supportive. You know, look at the increase in magnesium or some other tools like that, maybe get some context and basically just support the typical mechanisms for elimination. And then this is where we like to add in other eliminations support. So we like to use infrared Sona's or ion cleanse footbath and things like that to create flow. Because when there's when the roots of elimination are sort of clogged, then we got to get at least get the other ones moving at the same time so that we we can do that and the supportive stuff while we're looking upstream to find out how to get the communication system working again. And that works really well for a. Well, we don't really have problems constipation after people do that kind of stuff. [00:37:27][97.6]
[00:37:28] Awesome. Well, I cannot wait to have your wife on. We'll have to have her back on and talk about Horman's with us. But this is an amazing tell listeners where they can find you and where they can follow you. [00:37:39][11.2]
[00:37:40] Yeah. So we're on all the social media website as developments dossier. Dr. SONIAT and I have a YouTube channel called Doctors Nick and Sonia Jørgensen. [00:37:49][9.4]
[00:37:50] We every every quarter we run a program called The Metabolic Fix, which you can find on our Facebook pages. And Dr. Sonin, both on Instagram, of course, Dr. Nick Jensen, M.D., or Dr Nick Jensen and Dr Sonia Jensen. So awesome. [00:38:03][12.4]
[00:38:04] Chantelle, I gotta say this to you. I mean, the fact that there's more people like you creating such a huge reach with such an important message. I'm so grateful for you because I do. Would you agree that there's an urgency? Like we need people to know this information. We need people to apply this information and the fact that you've created this platform. I mean, I'm honored to be able to speak with you on this. So I won't acknowledge you, too. It's is this really important stuff that people are listening to? [00:38:31][27.7]
[00:38:32] Well, the pleasure's been all mine. And you are just a wealth of knowledge. [00:38:36][3.3]
[00:38:36] I just I feel like I have an instant best friend. Reach out. Reach out. If you need anything, let me know. Great. And if you have a question that you want answered questions at Shantelle Railway dot com. [00:38:48][11.7]
[00:38:48] We'll see you next time. Bye bye. [00:38:48][0.0]
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